Bjørn
You're mad, mate
John
Nah mate - watch this :
You can hear the tyre squeal as well. This is how F1 used to sound, and thank God that sound is back.
You can hear the tyre squeal as well. This is how F1 used to sound, and thank God that sound is back.
osella
I also like the new sounds - that is onboard wise.
I read though that the new engines are really quiet. Before turbos the engines were commonly heard several kilometres far from racetrack, now nothing. Standing close to track was deafening. Probably less exciting for people who actually visit the race
I read though that the new engines are really quiet. Before turbos the engines were commonly heard several kilometres far from racetrack, now nothing. Standing close to track was deafening. Probably less exciting for people who actually visit the race
baked bean
You can hear the tyre squeal as well. This is how F1 used to sound, and thank God that sound is back.
At first I was not sure about the sound myself, but after hearing the tires work its kinda cool I must admit.
Saabjock
The turbine wheel is known to 'chops' up exhaust noise on just about all turbo installations...street or race.
I've actually run my TD04-19 turbo on a few occasions without a muffler during component testing. It's only just barely more audible.
What comes through is a much more distinct whine without the exhaust pipe.
Obviously that's not ideal as you need some back pressure to aid in scavenging and a pipe to keep from burning everything under the car.
I've actually run my TD04-19 turbo on a few occasions without a muffler during component testing. It's only just barely more audible.
What comes through is a much more distinct whine without the exhaust pipe.
Obviously that's not ideal as you need some back pressure to aid in scavenging and a pipe to keep from burning everything under the car.
zzbusch
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/307936/ecclestone-lack-of-noise-needs-to-be-investigated/
9:52 – Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has said the sport needs to ‘investigate’ how to make the new generation of V6-turbo powered cars sound more like proper 'racing cars' and that they should ‘maybe look to do something’ after the opening few races.
His comments were prompted after Australian Grand Prix Corporation (AGPC) Chairman Ron Walker said he was ‘not too happy with the sound’ during the race at Albert Park on Sunday and that it was ‘clearly a breach of contract’.
“I was not horrified by the noise. I was horrified by the lack of it,” Ecclestone told ESPNF1.com. “Ron is right with regards to their contract. And I was sorry to be proved right with what I've said all along; these cars don't sound like racing cars.
“I've been speaking with Jean [Todt, FIA president] this afternoon and what I've said is that we need to see whether there is some way of making them sound like racing cars. I don't know whether it's possible but we should investigate. I think let's get the first few races out of the way and then maybe look to do something. We can't wait all season. It could be too late by then.”
Eccelstone meanwhile added that Walker is not the only promoter concerned about the lack of noise compared to the previous V8 powerplants.
“I've had one or two promoters get in touch with me today and they said how unhappy they are,” added the 83-year-old in a separate interview with Reuters. “I spoke to [Ferrari president] Luca di Montezemolo just now and Luca said he's never had as many emails on his desk complaining and saying this isn't Formula 1.”
Pressed on if the lack of noise is really a breach of contract, Ecclestone added: “I don't know whether he [Walker] has got a point. Let's assume he hasn't got a point as far as the legal side is going. Then you have to look at it from a moral side. If you went into the supermarket today and bought some strawberry jam and you got peanut butter you'd probably be a bit pissed off. It's good quality peanut butter, but he's saying it isn't what he bought.
“Whether the contract describes what he'd bought, the strawberry jam with so many strawberries, I don't know. I doubt it. I think he bought the FIA Formula One World Championship. Which is what he's got,” Ecclestone concluded.
9:52 – Formula 1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has said the sport needs to ‘investigate’ how to make the new generation of V6-turbo powered cars sound more like proper 'racing cars' and that they should ‘maybe look to do something’ after the opening few races.
His comments were prompted after Australian Grand Prix Corporation (AGPC) Chairman Ron Walker said he was ‘not too happy with the sound’ during the race at Albert Park on Sunday and that it was ‘clearly a breach of contract’.
“I was not horrified by the noise. I was horrified by the lack of it,” Ecclestone told ESPNF1.com. “Ron is right with regards to their contract. And I was sorry to be proved right with what I've said all along; these cars don't sound like racing cars.
“I've been speaking with Jean [Todt, FIA president] this afternoon and what I've said is that we need to see whether there is some way of making them sound like racing cars. I don't know whether it's possible but we should investigate. I think let's get the first few races out of the way and then maybe look to do something. We can't wait all season. It could be too late by then.”
Eccelstone meanwhile added that Walker is not the only promoter concerned about the lack of noise compared to the previous V8 powerplants.
“I've had one or two promoters get in touch with me today and they said how unhappy they are,” added the 83-year-old in a separate interview with Reuters. “I spoke to [Ferrari president] Luca di Montezemolo just now and Luca said he's never had as many emails on his desk complaining and saying this isn't Formula 1.”
Pressed on if the lack of noise is really a breach of contract, Ecclestone added: “I don't know whether he [Walker] has got a point. Let's assume he hasn't got a point as far as the legal side is going. Then you have to look at it from a moral side. If you went into the supermarket today and bought some strawberry jam and you got peanut butter you'd probably be a bit pissed off. It's good quality peanut butter, but he's saying it isn't what he bought.
“Whether the contract describes what he'd bought, the strawberry jam with so many strawberries, I don't know. I doubt it. I think he bought the FIA Formula One World Championship. Which is what he's got,” Ecclestone concluded.
Bjørn
Nah mate - watch this :
You can hear the tyre squeal as well. This is how F1 used to sound, and thank God that sound is back.
I have actually experienced everything live... I've experienced Ayrtons Toleman from 84 in the streets of my hometown, I've experienced the maddest 1993 041 3.5 V12 Ferrari the same place... I know what I liked most... The V12, hands down! Both were driven hard, no soft-footing.
But actually it is not as 'intimidating' as the 00-05 V10's... I experienced those on 3 occations... 2000 at A1 Ring, 2002 and 2004 Hockenheim. Nothing beats it. When you hear it trumping towards you kilometers away and you know it's coming... And then when it's on your straight, but you're still 500 meters away from it and you can just here it coming for you, hauntingly... and then it climaxes just before it passes you... Nothing like it. No videos really do it justice but I've found three who sort of depicts the soundscape slightly...
Sadly the FOM producers are cutting to 'the next camera' slightly too fast, you don't experience the surge, the climax quite as it passes, because they cut too soon...
The most intimidating and impressive soundscape is these cars...
The melodic and beautiful soundscape were the diverse very late 80's or the early/mid nineties with expecially the RA121/2E Honda V12, the Renault RS V10's and the the 035-043 Ferrari V12 engines The Chrysler Lambo V12's don't forget! HB's were sounding good in that era too...
Then there are the jokers, the BRM W/H16... Classic Ferrari V12's of the 70's... so on...
Think about it... 04 was the pinnacle of the sport... It'll probably never get faster... It was just epic... Engines had gained good reliability (they had to last a weekend (two weekends the next year) and still pushing towards 20.000 RPM 19.500 I think was regularly seen. Epic engineering, epic spectacle... I'm so happy I've experieced it live and with 20-22 cars at max... A funny note, the Honda engines in the BAR cars were actually the loudest of the lot...
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Denstjiro
So they might go for an artificial solution to make it sound more like F1 cars.....that's...I dunno.....artificial. why not add small water tanks at the rear wings so that you get those vapour trails?
I know I sound naïve, like F1 is all about racing an not marketing but at least give us the option to pretend its about racing. this is just too obvious.
I know I sound naïve, like F1 is all about racing an not marketing but at least give us the option to pretend its about racing. this is just too obvious.
MikeeCZ
Well, this year F1 is more like a Technology Laboratory for road cars to have more efficient power units in future, so GP2s are more pure for racing...
But in 70s and 80s F1 was trully about beign as fast as possible with available technology, than they started to ban everything and now all cars basically look the same because the regulations dictate how the cars have to look. how many wheels, how far from each other, how wide the car is, how tall, what is the shape of cockpits cut out, what is the room for driver in there, where is the front wing, where is the rear wing, their sizes and angles.. its all dictated. Very very few room left for differences in between teams.
But in 70s and 80s F1 was trully about beign as fast as possible with available technology, than they started to ban everything and now all cars basically look the same because the regulations dictate how the cars have to look. how many wheels, how far from each other, how wide the car is, how tall, what is the shape of cockpits cut out, what is the room for driver in there, where is the front wing, where is the rear wing, their sizes and angles.. its all dictated. Very very few room left for differences in between teams.
WiZPER
Ecclestone is a troll, and especially now where he's being sidetracked...
hexagramme
A brilliant piece on the new days of Formula 1:
http://www.darrenheath.com/season/2014/australia-2014/blog/sound-and-fury
"I'm not one to harp on about the past and have no desire to return to simpler times - pipe dreams of returning the sport to some misty-eyed, wildly romantic vision of the past hold no interest for me - rather I prefer focusing on the here and now and where Formula 1 is headed.
(...)
Of course I – and so many in the sport – are aware that change is so often resisted in all walks of life, but it really was about time that Formula 1 woke up to the realities of the modern world. Those tweeting, texting, blogging, commentating and newspaper-writing endless negative sentiment can continue to bury their heads in the sand; that’s their choice.
The rest of us will be happy that in one area at least, the world’s premier motorsport category is finally leading from the front."
http://www.darrenheath.com/season/2014/australia-2014/blog/sound-and-fury
"I'm not one to harp on about the past and have no desire to return to simpler times - pipe dreams of returning the sport to some misty-eyed, wildly romantic vision of the past hold no interest for me - rather I prefer focusing on the here and now and where Formula 1 is headed.
(...)
Of course I – and so many in the sport – are aware that change is so often resisted in all walks of life, but it really was about time that Formula 1 woke up to the realities of the modern world. Those tweeting, texting, blogging, commentating and newspaper-writing endless negative sentiment can continue to bury their heads in the sand; that’s their choice.
The rest of us will be happy that in one area at least, the world’s premier motorsport category is finally leading from the front."
hexagramme
I'm sure the racing will get so much better now.
Instead of every driver just flooring the throttle exiting a corner, they have to be more careful because of the crazy torque, and this will lead to more overtaking opportunities.
Denstjiro
Said the man in his blog....
SPASKIS
Funny thing is that Tour de France probably causes as much pollution as whole F1 calendar.
Millions of people go visit that bicycle race.. and no, most of them don't travel by bus or bicycle
In montmelo 100.000 people came every year to see alonso after his titles. HOW DO YOU THINK THEY TRAVEL?
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Led566
IMHO 2014 SOOO MUCH BETTER!!!
High revving V8 (and for the matter 3500 V10) high pitch whine is like a denstist's drill trying to make a hole in your cerebellum.
Bjørn
People are MAD!
3.5 V12, sounds so terrible!
No it doesn't... much better, miles better
3.5 V12, sounds so terrible!
No it doesn't... much better, miles better
Denstjiro
Well that was pretty boring today at Malaysia. Now more then ever they seem to calculate their ways from start to finish being restricted in so many departments.
I liked how Massa ignored the team order though, that's exactly what he needs, the f*ck you attitude
I liked how Massa ignored the team order though, that's exactly what he needs, the f*ck you attitude
redapg
Yes, unfortunately the F1 has in my eyes nothing to do with motorsports anymore.
Just save fuel, save tires, save engine....., where are the fights wheel to wheel?
Massa did right, if his teammate is faster, why he didn't overtake?
They all have to wait for their "GO" from the pitwall. Poor F1.
And the Sound of the engines is a joke for F1.
In my eyes they have to sound loud and aggressiv, as they were years ago, when i saw them live at Jerez, Nurburgring and Hockenheim.
And when i get sentimental, i listen to this:
Formel 1 Sound 1
und
Formel 1 Sound 2
Just save fuel, save tires, save engine....., where are the fights wheel to wheel?
Massa did right, if his teammate is faster, why he didn't overtake?
They all have to wait for their "GO" from the pitwall. Poor F1.
And the Sound of the engines is a joke for F1.
In my eyes they have to sound loud and aggressiv, as they were years ago, when i saw them live at Jerez, Nurburgring and Hockenheim.
And when i get sentimental, i listen to this
:Formel 1 Sound 1
und
Formel 1 Sound 2
Jamie Shorting
Jamie Shorting
Jamie Shorting
Poor Maldonado
aiza55
wizwig is free and covers most sports
Jamie Shorting
Just watched P2, should be a good race.
Saabjock
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115467
Wow! didn't see this coming.
Rossi replacing Chilton for Spa this weekend.
edit: Now reversed by Marussia.
Wow! didn't see this coming.
Rossi replacing Chilton for Spa this weekend.
edit: Now reversed by Marussia.
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Navigator
Guys, have any of you seen some onboard footage? I didn't, but I would like to know some things.......
So, if anyone seen it, could you answer these questions for me please?
- What top speed is reached at the end of the straight after eau Rouge? (the highest car)
- What rpm levels are being used as maximum (again, the highest car)
- Is Mercedes using the 8th gear now?
I would be very happy if you would take the time; I "need" it for my mod.
Thanks in advance!
So, if anyone seen it, could you answer these questions for me please?
- What top speed is reached at the end of the straight after eau Rouge? (the highest car)
- What rpm levels are being used as maximum (again, the highest car)
- Is Mercedes using the 8th gear now?
I would be very happy if you would take the time; I "need" it for my mod.
Thanks in advance!
Denstjiro
No idea Nav but have you seen todays's race? and what Rosberg admitted?
Bloody hell that's going to have some consequences, can't wait)
Bloody hell that's going to have some consequences, can't wait
)Saabjock
I hate seeing that kind of anger drive behavior on track.
It's not healthy for either.
It always brings me back to the situation between Gilles and Pironi...and we all know how that turned out.
Ironically, yesterday was exactly 27 years since Pironi died.
It's not healthy for either.
It always brings me back to the situation between Gilles and Pironi...and we all know how that turned out.
Ironically, yesterday was exactly 27 years since Pironi died.
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Navigator
Well, thanks to some onboard pictures today (finally) I got an answer to my questions myself
I saw the Mercedes finally (and only ONCE) use the 8th gear, running 332 km/h and the rpm.......still couldn't see. One time on another car, but it was to quick; think it's still 12.500, give or take 200.
Yes, those guys are not done with each other, no matter what the teambos says; next time they're alone in the car again, things heat up again......
What surprised me, was the speed of the Red Bull al of the sudden.........it could even keep up with the Williams, the fastest in a straight line.
Now you can set the wings very low, but still..........
The Mercedes couldn't close the gap even with slipstream AND DRS.
But they weren't all that slow in corners either; time to check the RB cars I think
I saw the Mercedes finally (and only ONCE) use the 8th gear, running 332 km/h and the rpm.......still couldn't see. One time on another car, but it was to quick; think it's still 12.500, give or take 200.
Yes, those guys are not done with each other, no matter what the teambos says; next time they're alone in the car again, things heat up again......
What surprised me, was the speed of the Red Bull al of the sudden.........it could even keep up with the Williams, the fastest in a straight line.
Now you can set the wings very low, but still..........
The Mercedes couldn't close the gap even with slipstream AND DRS.
But they weren't all that slow in corners either; time to check the RB cars I think
Saabjock
This year's RBR chassis in Daniel's hand is darn amazing, when you sit down and think about it.
Even with the mandatory D/F reduction and a massively trimmed rear wing, he was still able to get the car to work through Les Combes to Stavelot.
It's an area where you need lots of wing normally.
Steve Matchett eluded to something I've been saying all along.
When a driver spends half of his time battling really bad cars on track, he usually develops an ability to adapt quickly to a decent one.
It's almost like a vacation in the cockpit. Suddenly you have lots of time to concentrate on the actual driving itself.
I think that's why Daniel (post HRT and STR) has been able to get to grips with the new RBR car much faster than his teammate.
It's something which has also benefited Alonso in his car handling ability.
Even with the mandatory D/F reduction and a massively trimmed rear wing, he was still able to get the car to work through Les Combes to Stavelot.
It's an area where you need lots of wing normally.
Steve Matchett eluded to something I've been saying all along.
When a driver spends half of his time battling really bad cars on track, he usually develops an ability to adapt quickly to a decent one.
It's almost like a vacation in the cockpit. Suddenly you have lots of time to concentrate on the actual driving itself.
I think that's why Daniel (post HRT and STR) has been able to get to grips with the new RBR car much faster than his teammate.
It's something which has also benefited Alonso in his car handling ability.
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hexagramme
I'm sensing that the last part of this season will be quite legendary.
It's so unique having such a heated battle between two team mates.
Amazing to watch!
It's so unique having such a heated battle between two team mates.
Amazing to watch!
Alejandro1
No idea Nav but have you seen todays's race? and what Rosberg admitted?
Bloody hell that's going to have some consequences, can't wait
He admitted that he didnt avoid it "to prove a point".
And I think that it has to do with bahrain and hungary. Something like "we haven't crash until now because I'm the one always backing off and avoiding the mess. And I'm not going to do it anymore".
That is normal thing just like Prost/Senna in Suzuka 1989. Or Senna/Brundle in F3.
Funny thing is that Hamilton, the Senna fan and the better driver, is in Brundle/Prost position.
Rosberg cheated in Monaco (Peter Windsor heard from Merc guys that "they knew exactly what Rosberg did, how he did it and that it is impossible to prove it.) and he has a much bigger chance to win. In part because of Hamilton's misfortunes but in equal part because of Rosberg's war strategy.
If Hamilton wants to win he needs to take the villain role. Like Piquet vs Mansell. But I dont see that happening.
Such an amazing to watch season!
MikeeCZ
The rules are simple, you are behind, you have to back off, its not a choice, In this incident, yet again, he was behind, Lewis took his race line, Nicos fault. Boo on him. He knows Lewis is much better driver, i wonder what will Nico come up with next, throw his used visor away when Lewis is right behind him?
Denstjiro
Didn't Lewis throw a rope at Nico first?
Alejandro1
Nico will not avoid a crash. And nobody is going to stop him from winning the title.
If they crash Nico is ahead in the points so he wins.
And the problems with Hamilton's power units reduce the chances that such problems will happen to Nico. So Nico has more/better power units.
If Merc undresses Nico down in public/punish him, Nico is going to gain even more support from the public. So he wins in PR.
If Merc imposes team orders, Nico is ahead. So he wins.
If Merc asks FIA to punish Nico, Ricciardo chances would increase. Again Nico advantage.
There is no way Hamilton can win. He is the better driver but Nico wins this one.
I just hope for rain in the races in Monza and Brazil so it could be even more fun.
Led566
If Hamilton is really a better driver he'll win.
Rosberg can't crash HAM each and every race, because if this happens again he'll be sanctioned by FIA.
Now that he has "proven his point" what's next?
Maybe try to be faster on track?
NOPE, he can't.
hexagramme
If Hamilton is really a better driver he'll win.
Rosberg can't crash HAM each and every race, because if this happens again he'll be sanctioned by FIA.
Now that he has "proven his point" what's next?
Maybe try to be faster on track?
NOPE, he can't.
This.
On another note. The new Sochi track:
Edit:
That has got to be the most bland F1 circuit ever. Am I right?
Alejandro1
If Hamilton is really a better driver he'll win.
Rosberg can't crash HAM each and every race, because if this happens again he'll be sanctioned by FIA.
Now that he has "proven his point" what's next?
Maybe try to be faster on track?
NOPE, he can't.
Hamilton proved himself equal or better than against Alonso, Button and Rosberg. But the best not always win.
In F3 Senna made it clear that if Brundle would try to defend they would crash.
They crashed 4 times in the final part of the season and Senna won the title.
The penalties depend on interpretations. And Nico has already proven to be highly efficient in getting away with unsportsmanlike behavior this season lol
hexagramme
But I mean, how can Mercedes control HAM and ROS for the rest of the season?
It is inevitable that this fight will get even more intense and bitter the closer we get to the finale.
I thinks it's very likely that they will clash again.
Could RIC go and snatch it all in the end, if Mercedes doesn't get their act together?
Amazing season this, very seldom have I seen anything quite like it.
It is inevitable that this fight will get even more intense and bitter the closer we get to the finale.
I thinks it's very likely that they will clash again.
Could RIC go and snatch it all in the end, if Mercedes doesn't get their act together?
Amazing season this, very seldom have I seen anything quite like it.
bwana
Vettel to merc next year,Hamilton to RBR.. Wouldn't that make things interesting?
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