Anyone else hate the new Mexico layout?

PearceYaussy

The track had character, but now it has the same boring Tilke characteristics as every other track he has done. "hey, I'll just throw together a bunch of sharp 90deg bends and hairpins, throw an esses section in there, all done." I don't know why F1 keeps using the guy to design circuits, because he has no creativity. All his tracks are the same boring crap. COTA is just alright, but it could have been better, and the ultra wide hairpin entries are stupid and pointless.
Anyway, I think the old layout brought up to current f1 safety standards would have been much more exciting. I would have loved to see them take that last 180 bend at 150+

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" -everyone with good sense in the world

"If it ain't broke, break it. If it's already broke, break it even more!" - FIA 2009-2015
 
I agree - although Bilster Berg and AMP are Tilke designs and they are cool

Maybe driver safety these days ruins great layouts - the old style are good for sim racing, but bad for real life and spectating. Thanks goodness for modders (and ISI) who give us old style circuits
 
Kinda agree, but somehow I also liked it, can't put my finger onnit though. maybe because history, or that is still looks like an old(er) track and not so super-modern.

If, and when, and if, F1 is indeed going to become 6 seconds faster next year (was it next year?) and they implement some of the many cool features that we hear about every other day, it might suddenly become an awesome track.
Hey, maybe even Monza becomes exiting for that matter :)
 
Denstjiro said:
Kinda agree, but somehow I also liked it, can't put my finger onnit though. maybe because history, or that is still looks like an old(er) track and not so super-modern.
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The main difference was probably the atmosphere around it ;) Having grandstands filled to the top with cheering supporters compared to tracks like india/south-korea (and quite some more) where you have half-filled grandstands with people that are mostly new to the sport. What I mainly hope to see for next year is that there has been way more races there, so that the overall grip, especially off line is better (to aid overtaking), and of course a not-so-dominant mercedes would greatly help as well because this race wasn't to exciting (maybe it was, or maybe it wasn't because of the track, but great races certainly help the excitement/love people feel for tracks)

EDIT :: and to the OP, the problem with this track is the space next to the track. The track is being swallowed up by the city, there simply wasn't any more space at the outside of some of those corners (like the last corner), so the only way to improve driver safety as you suggested, is by slowing the cars down before such corners, or to remove/change those corners completely. Besides, it's not like the F1 is the first series there that didn't use that corner. I have seen champcar races around ..... 2004 or something??? ..... where in one year the went through the baseball stadium (as F1 did now, albeit with slightly wider 90degree corners), and the year after having a chicane where they otherwise entered the stadium. And I think A1GP some years after ALSO used that chicane (so the still took the entire last corner, but with way slower speeds, so it isn't the same either).
 
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its an awsum track to lap on though...especially the new stadium section
 
Brack Jabham said:
I agree - although Bilster Berg and AMP are Tilke designs and they are cool

Maybe driver safety these days ruins great layouts - the old style are good for sim racing, but bad for real life and spectating. Thanks goodness for modders (and ISI) who give us old style circuits
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Driver safety these days, and all this "green" ****...Come on!! This is RACING for god sake! F1 is supposed to be about speed, and nothing else. Do they REALLY think that the carbon footprint of a few Grand Prix races contributes to even 0.00001% of the 40 BILLION TONS of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere every year?? There are a billion cars on the road DAILY, and they think that 20 F1 cars running for a few hours every couple weeks makes any difference at all? They could run on pure coal and still wouldn't even begin to compare. It's extremely ignorant to think making F1 "greener" will make any difference at all in the grand scheme of things.

LOL they need to do an IQ test before appointing FIA board members. And don't blame Bernie, he hates these little lawnmower engines they're using.

FIA, Quit worrying about your "image" or whatever the hell your reasoning is and give us good racing!

V10 Turbos! 2000hp! Bring it on!

And anyone who whines that it's not safe enough, drivers were getting killed every year in the 1920s-1970s. In the early years of the indy 500, is wasn't uncommon for more than one to die in a single race! so shut up p***ies. :p
 
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PearceYaussy said:
Driver safety these days, and all this "green" ****...Come on!! This is RACING for god sake! F1 is supposed to be about speed, and nothing else. Do they REALLY think that the carbon footprint of a few Grand Prix races contributes to even 0.00001% of the 40 BILLION TONS of CO2 we pump into the atmosphere every year?? There are a billion cars on the road DAILY, and they think that 20 F1 cars running for a few hours every couple weeks makes any difference at all? They could run on pure coal and still wouldn't even begin to compare. It's extremely ignorant to think making F1 "greener" will make any difference at all in the grand scheme of things.

LOL they need to do an IQ test before appointing FIA board members. And don't blame Bernie, he hates these little lawnmower engines they're using.

FIA, Quit worrying about your "image" or whatever the hell your reasoning is and give us good racing!

V10 Turbos! 2000hp! Bring it on!

And anyone who whines that it's not safe enough, drivers were getting killed every year in the 1920s-1970s. In the early years of the indy 500, is wasn't uncommon for more than one to die in a single race! so shut up p***ies. :p
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As for the carbon footprint and emissions... It is not so much for the world as it is for those that can see, smell and/or walk through it. The spectators of every race are causing themselves to die just a little faster than they might normally have. The people that live near the track there are not doing themselves any favors either. The same can be said for those that live near a highway or like to jog down city's major streets or anything else that can result in breathing harmful stuff. People making this green stuff (in any form) are simply understanding that If any of the harmful stuff can be less harmful or not harmful at all, it is a positive for everyone even if they are not involved.
 
Nope still wrong. The technology and push for efficiency is actually driven by the engine manufacturers and car makers. The FIA was faced with the prospect of just 1 engine manufacturer (Ferrari) if they didn't do something about it. The current engine rules are there because the sport would have died without them. Car manufacturers arn't going to spend a billion dollars on old and outdated technology - that would not be acceptable to their shareholders. The whole idea behind F1 being the pinnacle of motor sport is that the new technologies will filter down into the family car.
 
John said:
Nope still wrong. The technology and push for efficiency is actually driven by the engine manufacturers and car makers. The FIA was faced with the prospect of just 1 engine manufacturer (Ferrari) if they didn't do something about it. The current engine rules are there because the sport would have died without them. Car manufacturers arn't going to spend a billion dollars on old and outdated technology - that would not be acceptable to their shareholders. The whole idea behind F1 being the pinnacle of motor sport is that the new technologies will filter down into the family car.
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So basically, greed. Which is why they should all use purpose-built RACING engines that have nothing do with any road car manufacturer. I have a feeling this is the reason behind LMP2 changing to spec engine, because no car manufacturer will build them. What's hilarious is Renault was the one pushing the hardest for these turbo engines, and then they can't build them for sh*t.

What will they want next? Self-driving F1 cars to show off the latest "autopilot" tech? Pretty soon road car tech is going to bypass what can be used in a racecar without completely ruining the point of it. When we have all electric F1 cars, I'm done watching (and living :().

The sport of auto racing has been slowly dying for more than a decade now, I have witnessed it, and it's time for the sport to head in a different direction. It's becoming nothing more than giant marketing campaign on wheels.

We need get rid of all the greed and hypocrisy in the sport. Bring back the 1600hp turbo's with huge tires and full manual transmission, like the early days of Senna. Now those were RACE cars. F1 cars should have nothing to do with road cars anymore.
 
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The point has still gone way over your head mate. Go watch Nascar - as that is what you have just described. Seriously. Technology has always been the entire point of F1. The FIA has banned various technologies over the years too, ground effects for example because the then current chassis technology was not up to the speeds the cars were doing around the corners. Carbon fiber chassis would have fixed that one. Active suspensions were banned on cost and competition grounds - and Senna died (arguably as a result of the Williams having to be drastically changed virtually overnight).

As for marketing - mate that changed way back in 1969 when Colin Chapman sold advertising space on his cars. The money as been a major factor in all top level motor sport ever since. No one will ever get money out of sport, that ship has sailed.

The current F1 engine rules have nothing to do with greed, but everything with pushing future technologies along. Innovation costs money, and only the car manufacturers have that sort of money to spend. Fact. The current F1 engine rules have also given us the fastest F1 cars ever - 366km/h (with Monaco wing settings) down the Mexico front straight. There is no way in hell any previous naturally aspirated F1 engine could ever hope to push the same car to that speed. The current turbo engines can be tuned to get that 1600hp, if the FIA chooses to abandon the fuel burn limitations, but that would be pointless. Sure the cars can go faster, but they can't carry enough fuel for the race and so pitstops would still be the thing that decides the race result.

The only thing I would change right now is tyres - get rid of the requirement to use different compounds in a race, and introduce competition back into the tyres. They can build tyres that will last the entire race, it's been done before. The only reason we have tyres that degrade the way they do in F1 is because the FIA mandated it in the regulations in an attempt to spice up the racing.
 
John said:
The only reason we have tyres that degrade the way they do in F1 is because the FIA mandated it in the regulations in an attempt to spice up the racing.
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too right! A stupid decision as well as this could affect driver safety, but does add to drama. As for OP watch some Formula E and you may change your mind about electric cars - some of the best racing I have seen in ages (WEC excepted)
 
Pinnacle of motorsport..F1 too many rules for me
Engine manufacturers.....here's X litres of fuel per race. Go build an engine, free rein.
Driving Championship.....they must move around the pits, drive for every team.
Team champions...chassis open for debate

just a thought
 
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