Real F1 2014 Season - Off Topic Discussion

bwana said:
Vettel to merc next year,Hamilton to RBR.. Wouldn't that make things interesting?

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This could be a reality...far-fetched...but possible none the less.
We also keep looking past Williams.
Despite the fact that they're not known for paying massive salaries, LH generates so much interest that he just might bring the kind of sponsorship dollars that'd cause Frank to move Massa aside.
That could also be a possibility in the cards...Bottas and Hamilton.
It's such a mess out there right now that no one's place is secure.
Hopefully these two 'coves' to quote David Hobbs, will make it through the season without somebody dying on track.
 
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hexagramme said:
But I mean, how can Mercedes control HAM and ROS for the rest of the season?
It is inevitable that this fight will get even more intense and bitter the closer we get to the finale.
I thinks it's very likely that they will clash again.

Could RIC go and snatch it all in the end, if Mercedes doesn't get their act together?

Amazing season this, very seldom have I seen anything quite like it.
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I wonder the same thing. Toto stated that Hamilton's remark about any repercussions would be just a slap on the wrist, are wrong and Merc. will show what they can do in the respect.

so now what? a race ban? parts from 1995? team orders?
It will prolly be a 50.000 fine and of you go, be careful.
 
Denstjiro said:
I wonder the same thing. Toto stated that Hamilton's remark about any repercussions would be just a slap on the wrist, are wrong and Merc. will show what they can do in the respect.

so now what? a race ban? parts from 1995? team orders?
It will prolly be a 50.000 fine and of you go, be careful.
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I can only see Mercedes giving Nico an internal and very secretive fine, if he in fact admitted what was reported during the meeting.
They'd be very careful not to give the details to anybody for fear of it opening any sort of investigation.
Any exposure could bring a reprisal from the FIA and possibly stripping him of points or worst.
I believe that is the #1 reasons why Toto was so quick to get out there... keen to deny the allegation.
At the end of the day, the CC and the prize it brings, is their primary focus.
They're not going to jeopardize that by having Nico investigated...right or wrong.
I think if Lewis is able to 'claw' it back and win the WDC, he'll move on.
If he doesn't, I think he'll stay...as long as he has support from senior management and doesn't believe they're conspiring against him.
 
I noticed, as of race 2, that the Red bull had way more corner exit grip than absolutely anyone on the grid, just like years before. Also, Button said that the Red Bull passed people on the outside, in testing, where no other car could pass.

Newey clearly excels at the 2009+ F1 regs. Well he was always brilliant, but you know what I mean, his cars weren't consistently devastatingly quick during the mid 90s-2008 period, just the year here or there (98, 99 and 2005 come to mind, maybe 2000 as well but Ferrari really closed the gap that year, much, much more so than in 98 and 99.).
 
Lol, before Newey retires he should go to one of the backmarker teams, for just one season.
Build a crazy fast unbeatable car at, say, Marussia. Could be fun to watch. ;)
 
He should have just went to Ferrari. What a guy. Who wouldn't want to leave their mark with Ferrari, especially considering their current state. It would have been a beautiful thing to watch Newey try to bring Ferrari to the top.
 
Loving the new ban on performance related pit to driver messages.
Should provide some unpredictability and chaos at the next race... ;)
 
hexagramme said:
Should provide some unpredictability and chaos at the next race... ;)
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If that would be the case drivers are depending on this much more then they should, doubt that's the case. Not so sure if will have a big impact because if a driver is not properly coached on forehand then his team sux :p
 
This season so far every race had some serious WTF moments, Sochi is no exception. They must have added maple syrup into the mixure when they were paving the road, whole race on 1 stint... that is unheard of since 50s?
 
MikeeCZ said:
This season so far every race had some serious WTF moments, Sochi is no exception. They must have added maple syrup into the mixure when they were paving the road, whole race on 1 stint... that is unheard of since 50s?
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a couple of years back they were FORCED to do the entire race on one set of tyres. Back then there were pitstops, but only to refuel. It was at least in 2005, and maybe some other years.
 
Except for the guys who were flatspotting their tires. :p

Yeah, not sure if it was the tire or the new surface which caused lack of degradation here. After watching the race, Sochi, for a modern circuit seems pretty good. It's way better than COTA IMO. It was an interesting race, I especially enjoyed Ricciardo crying on the radio that Vettel was in his way early in the race. F1 drivers nowadays, lol.
 
Jamie Shorting said:
Except for the guys who were flatspotting their tires. :p

Yeah, not sure if it was the tire or the new surface which caused lack of degradation here. After watching the race, Sochi, for a modern circuit seems pretty good. It's way better than COTA IMO. It was an interesting race, I especially enjoyed Ricciardo crying on the radio that Vettel was in his way early in the race. F1 drivers nowadays, lol.
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Very enjoyable race for sure, and a very good track.
Turn 4 is pretty hairy!
 
Wow... so it seems we're actually gonna lose a team for the last races of the year... :(
 
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Sure nobody will notice the difference...:eek: (hope I don't have to say the same for the Ferrari in the future lol)
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I'm pretty sure Marussia will notice a significant difference, a whole lot of pressure off their shoulders championship-wise. :)
 
hexagramme said:
I'm pretty sure Marussia will notice a significant difference, a whole lot of pressure off their shoulders championship-wise. :)
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in case you missed it, presure is of indeed, since they're missing austin as well.....
 
Weeee, very cruel for Nico but Lewis was the one who shoud have won anyway. What a season...
 
MikeeCZ said:
Weeee, very cruel for Nico but Lewis was the one who shoud have won anyway. What a season...
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What a season indeed!

And the right man came out on top, so that's just great. Very touching to see how much it meant for Lewis to finally get another championship.
He really deserved it.

Heartbreaking for Nico though... Great sportsmanship despite his cruel luck.

I feel like only one of a few who actually enjoyed 2014, but for me this has been one of the greatest seasons I've witnessed since 1999.
Can't wait for 2015!!! :cool:
 
Yeh, huge congrats to Lewis on his second title... he drove amazingly well. Tough luck for Nico though. He seemed to get nearly every problem going but huge respect to him for wanting to fight till the end and the way handled his defeat.

Always liked him but have even more respect for him now...

His day will come...
 
Lewis was overally less lucky over the season, it almost felt like karma for Nico, but its true that everytime he dint win, he kept his head up, so yes, im pretty sure his day indeed will come
 
Jamie Shorting said:
I especially enjoyed Ricciardo crying on the radio that Vettel was in his way early in the race. F1 drivers nowadays, lol.
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Why shouldn't he complain ?

At that stage 1ST, 2ND or 3rd in championship was not tied up ...........but Vettel ?? .......he had NO chance no matter what. !!!


Fighting a team mate you can out place in points is fair enough, Vettel was just being a ahole.

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They drop the double points in 2015.

I would have made it triple points............. ( wt? :rolleyes: :confused: )

3 Sprint races, same compounds, low fuel loads, strategy ? ...... " Hammer Down ! " lol

I think it could make a spectacle and the 2nd and 3rd races would give opportunity for slower cars to grid higher.

Put on a celebrity race or something while teams prepared for each race.

Forget about pit crew error for at least 1 Round p ;) ............I mean to say how would you like it if your league pit crew randomly botched a stop ? hehehe

Sweep the marbles between races. :p
 
Dropped points, good idea, I never understood why it had to be double.
 
So that's it for Kevin Magnussen in F1 then...

Out of two possible choices, a right and a wrong choice, McLaren chose the latter.
Instead of looking at the future, they choose to dwell on the past.
Such a waste of young talent.

Well... That's how it goes sometimes.

Edit: it seems he's even locked contractually as a test/reserve driver at McLaren for years to come.
K-MAG's officially in a state of limbo now... Awful stuff.
 
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2014 was my first season (actually half-season) watching & following F1 so im glad my thinking was shared by someone who knows a lot more than i. i really like button from the little i know of him but hes clearly on the downslope w/ mag coming up. my first thought after the surprise of the decision was to wonder why button would allow this to happen to magnussen. but ofc hes a competitor; i certainly dont blame him a bit.
 
Hexagramme - if McLaren would let Jenson go the entiry fan base would be very pissed off, now they have one cockhead and one very popular guy, but we all know who will be the faster one
 
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MikeeCZ said:
Hexagramme - if McLaren would let Jason go the entiry fan base would be very pissed off, now they have one cockhead and one very popular guy, but we all know who will be the faster one
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Jason??? lol :D

I think it is great news personally. I would have hated to lose jenson the way we know lost kevin (for now). Kevin proved to be a decent driver, and I definatly think he deserves another chance, but personally I prefer Jenson both as a driver, and as personallity.

I did read another solution someone on the internet came up with (well, don't know if he came up with it, or someone else). What if McLaren would have bought Marussia, and have it as a sattelite team just as Red Bull has. Then they would have had a seat for both Kevin Magnussen, and also for Stoffel Vandoorne who I think deserves a chance in F1 as well. That would have been nice :) ah well, what could have been :p
 
Jenson was right choice imo. One of my favourite drivers and he beat Magnussen by a large margin. Also didn't like Magnussen's overly aggressive style of driving which cost some points to Kimi :p
 
I can totally get why many would want Button to get the seat...
Don't get me wrong, I adore Jenson, one of my favs in modern F1 racing.

It's just heart breaking to see a young, crazy fast and fierce talent's F1 career more or less end before it even really had begun.
He's now effectively just warming the bench, chained to a state of limbo for at least two years as a mere reserve driver, while the F1 train just powers on without him.
GP2 isn't an option. Neither is Formula Renault. What's the kid to do?

Jenson, with 266 GP starts, outscoring a rookie, who made only his 19th start at Abu Dhabi?
You'd be an utter fool to expect otherwise.

Imo McLaren, among other things, caved under the pressure from the British fans and media, and just went for the 100 percent fool-proof solution, without any sort of risk.
Short sighted in my honest opinion.

I'm glad for the British fans, and Button fans generally, that they got what they wanted.
You also have to see, though, why many of us Danes have a bitter taste in our mouths, having waited 15 years (!!!) for a Danish F1 driver.
 
hexagramme said:
Jenson, with 266 GP starts, outscoring a rookie, who made only his 19th start at Abu Dhabi?
You'd be an utter fool to expect otherwise.
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While I do agree, you can't deny that once upon a time there was a rookie called Hamilton that scored as many points as reigning double world champion Fernando Alonso.

hexagramme said:
Imo McLaren, among other things, caved under the pressure from the British fans and media, and just went for the 100 percent fool-proof solution, without any sort of risk.
Short sighted in my honest opinion.
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I don't think AT ALL that they caved under pressure of the fans and media. I wouldn't be surprised though, if some of the stories about sponsors threathening to quit if they didn't pick jenson were true.

hexagramme said:
I'm glad for the British fans, and Button fans generally, that they got what they wanted.
You also have to see, though, why many of us Danes have a bitter taste in our mouths, having waited 15 years (!!!) for a Danish F1 driver.
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While as a dutch I haven't had to wait for that long, I do understand your feeling. In 2002 we had the same when Jos Verstappen got ditched by arrows on the last couple of weeks before Melbourne (2 or 3 weeks or something I believe). And also more or less with Giedo this year when he appears to have had a contract to race with Sauber next year (although that one didn't hurt nearly as much, because Giedo doesn't seem to be one of the great, and we allready had Max Verstappen confirmed for next year).

I think for Magnussen it has hurt him in the end that he had to make his debut with McLaren, next to a guy like Button. In the end, he probably would have been better off with a team in the mid-field to gain some experience, and then get to a team like McLaren. In the end he didn't do bad at all, and for him (and also all of you Danes ;) ) I hope it will go like it went with Grosjean. He was ditched by Renault, but later picked up by the same team for another chance, which he grabbed with both hands :)
 
Nimugp said:
While I do agree, you can't deny that once upon a time there was a rookie called Hamilton that scored as many points as reigning double world champion Fernando Alonso.

I don't think AT ALL that they caved under pressure of the fans and media. I wouldn't be surprised though, if some of the stories about sponsors threathening to quit if they didn't pick jenson were true.

While as a dutch I haven't had to wait for that long, I do understand your feeling. In 2002 we had the same when Jos Verstappen got ditched by arrows on the last couple of weeks before Melbourne (2 or 3 weeks or something I believe). And also more or less with Giedo this year when he appears to have had a contract to race with Sauber next year (although that one didn't hurt nearly as much, because Giedo doesn't seem to be one of the great, and we allready had Max Verstappen confirmed for next year).

I think for Magnussen it has hurt him in the end that he had to make his debut with McLaren, next to a guy like Button. In the end, he probably would have been better off with a team in the mid-field to gain some experience, and then get to a team like McLaren. In the end he didn't do bad at all, and for him (and also all of you Danes ;) ) I hope it will go like it went with Grosjean. He was ditched by Renault, but later picked up by the same team for another chance, which he grabbed with both hands :)
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I actually had HAM in the back of my head while I wrote that. He is the magnificent exception to the rule I think.
And I wouldn't ever imply that Magnussen is or will be AS good as Hamilton. That guy is above and beyond most drivers... ;)

I think McLaren caved a little bit. Imagine the pressure of the British media and the fans. And the sponsors, like you say.
It's all connected anyway.

Lol it wasn't 15 years though, I totally forgot that Kiesa had a few races in a Minardi back in 2003.
But you get my drift.
It's tough, and I think Magnussen's career (chance of a championship win) is wrecked, more or less, because the pressure of performing against Jenson in that exact car was too much.
It was probably too much too soon.

There won't be room for him in that big a team for many many years to come.

Oh well... Here's hoping I'm dead wrong in that assumption.

I hope Max will do well in his first season.
 
Denstjiro said:
They Dutch are already expecting way too much from him. Not even started his first season but he can only disappoint now :)
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That was the curse that hit Kevin even before the season started. Only got worse when he bagged a podium on his first try. It can only go down hill from there...
 
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